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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2010, 11,15:10 AM » |
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Phil you know you can come anytime and I will cater for your needs, Will
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Tim Dykes
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2010, 12,14:19 PM » |
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I run very social rides, with plenty of stops, and time for stories and laugh's.
In my book a bloke doing a clubman ride is there to ride. I'm with Peter, on the standard, it doesn't sound like a clubman level ride. It may give someone the wrong idea of what a clubman ride is and then they turn up to another clubman ride and get blown out of the water. I call a 300km day that ends two hours after daylight a clubman ride. The last Clubman level ride I was on had to be cut short because the group couldn't move at the pace the ride leader had hoped for. Tim, nowhere does the ride standard mention speed or distance for a clubman ride. A 300 km ride is definitely for Experienced riders. Check the description. Only the description for experienced rides mentions distance as you would certainly need the skills of a "clubman" rider plus plenty of experience and fitness on a bike to ride longer distances. As you've said Ian there is no mention of speed or distance for any of the levels but I think a clubman should be able to ride at a fair pace for a full day. I believe a clubman would be capable of 300km, 10Hrs at 30Kmh. I've done a day in the desert that was 450km, rated as clubman and all riders completed the day ready to ride the next. I run very social rides, with plenty of stops, and time for stories and laugh's.
In my book a bloke doing a clubman ride is there to ride. I'm with Peter, on the standard, it doesn't sound like a clubman level ride. It may give someone the wrong idea of what a clubman ride is and then they turn up to another clubman ride and get blown out of the water. I call a 300km day that ends two hours after daylight a clubman ride. The last Clubman level ride I was on had to be cut short because the group couldn't move at the pace the ride leader had hoped for. Hey Tim if what you described is a clubman ride how would you describe an exsperienced ride ? Will The only difference to me is that riders are not expected to give other riders assistance on an experienced ride, I don't not even think the tailman should help. On a clubman ride I'd expect riders to help one another. |
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Gary Clarke
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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2010, 01,25:10 PM » |
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Hi Will,
Please add me to the list for morning & afternoon ride and the pub as well.
Cheers,
Gary C.
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Mat R
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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2010, 01,30:27 PM » |
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I call a day that ends two hours after daylight another one of Tim's rides.
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SCHEVY
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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2010, 02,50:24 PM » |
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I call a day that ends two hours after daylight another one of Tim's rides.
Fixed. Good to hear your coming as well coachman Mat  . I need to learn more of your tricks. I have a simple solution to all of everyone's comments above... Why don't you make this day into an "All Levels Day" ie, Beginner, level 1, level 2, Clubman & Expert all in one (& of course pubman). Us beginners or less fitter ones can watch the guns & learn from them all. The terrain is how you want to make it anyway, so i'm sure everyone can ride it to their own level & eventually catch up to the superchargers?? Would make for a very interesting ride don't you think?...Marls |
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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2010, 05,03:36 PM » |
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I run very social rides, with plenty of stops, and time for stories and laugh's.
In my book a bloke doing a clubman ride is there to ride. I'm with Peter, on the standard, it doesn't sound like a clubman level ride. It may give someone the wrong idea of what a clubman ride is and then they turn up to another clubman ride and get blown out of the water. I call a 300km day that ends two hours after daylight a clubman ride. The last Clubman level ride I was on had to be cut short because the group couldn't move at the pace the ride leader had hoped for. Tim, nowhere does the ride standard mention speed or distance for a clubman ride. A 300 km ride is definitely for Experienced riders. Check the description. Only the description for experienced rides mentions distance as you would certainly need the skills of a "clubman" rider plus plenty of experience and fitness on a bike to ride longer distances. As you've said Ian there is no mention of speed or distance for any of the levels but I think a clubman should be able to ride at a fair pace for a full day. I believe a clubman would be capable of 300km, 10Hrs at 30Kmh. I've done a day in the desert that was 450km, rated as clubman and all riders completed the day ready to ride the next. I run very social rides, with plenty of stops, and time for stories and laugh's.
In my book a bloke doing a clubman ride is there to ride. I'm with Peter, on the standard, it doesn't sound like a clubman level ride. It may give someone the wrong idea of what a clubman ride is and then they turn up to another clubman ride and get blown out of the water. I call a 300km day that ends two hours after daylight a clubman ride. The last Clubman level ride I was on had to be cut short because the group couldn't move at the pace the ride leader had hoped for. Hey Tim if what you described is a clubman ride how would you describe an exsperienced ride ? Will The only difference to me is that riders are not expected to give other riders assistance on an experienced ride, I don't not even think the tailman should help. On a clubman ride I'd expect riders to help one another. I'm with Tim and Peter on this one! Clubman/Experienced riders are there to ride not stop and socialise at the end of every track. It was my ride that was cut short because some people were really struggling with it, and going by whats been said here i should have listed it as experienced, and if we had of done the whole loop we would of finished well and truly after dark Tim. I think the club needs to re-evaluate its grading system because my idea of a Clubman/Experienced ride is the same as Tim and Petes. I think the club should listen to the guys that regularly do or put on Clubman/Experienced rides and structure it's grading system around the input from those riders. The only thing that should change from Clubman to Experienced is the pace of the ride. From the Pony Express events i've done, over 35's, Clubman and Expert riders are all racing the same track the only thing that changes is the speed and there is no one there to help you if you get stuck. |
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« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2010, 05,09:52 PM » |
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I've only been a member for a short time, maybe I haven't been here long enough to make any comments.
Peter & Tim what you blokes are talking about is expert class, I used to be a member of M.C.R.C.V My two older brothers & myself are the founders of the Stockmans enduro, so you can see that I've been around for a long time, anyway when the club went out for a trail ride there wasn't any grading, it was all in & helped each other if needed,always had a good time with plenty of laughs.
I've had a 15 year break from dirt bikes & now back for the last 3 years, I did a 7 day High Country ride last year covering 200km a day, I might add & finished the last day
stronger then the first day, so I would like to know do I qualify as a clubman?
I reckon Will does a great job, the club needs blokes like him, if it wasn't for blokes like him the club will disappear.
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john t
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« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2010, 06,03:46 PM » |
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Ok here my dilemma
I put on the Glenlyon ride and try to gauge the level of the rider we get on that ride on the phone .
So as not to hold up the flow of the ride.
So what level should it be ?
I class it at a level 2 as i don’t find it to hard
Will what level is it from your prospective?
As i know that some rider have a blast some leave a lunch.
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fatboy
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« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2010, 06,26:41 PM » |
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I cant wait till I get back 2 your ride John but I reckon you have a real mixed terain on your ride and there are parts of your ride that should be classified as clubman so I would suggest that your ride is clubman.Will
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nathanstott
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« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2010, 06,45:57 PM » |
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Ok here my dilemma
I put on the Glenlyon ride and try to gauge the level of the rider we get on that ride on the phone .
So as not to hold up the flow of the ride.
So what level should it be ?
I class it at a level 2 as i don’t find it to hard
Will what level is it from your prospective?
As i know that some rider have a blast some leave a lunch.
Hi John, I've done your ride and it's a great ride with really good tracks, i found nothing hard about it so i'd say it's a level 2. In my opinion for it to be a clubman ride there would be minimal stops, the pace would need to pick up (not yours the other riders) and assistance would only be given if somebody is really struggling with and obstacle. |
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fatboy
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« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2010, 06,47:00 PM » |
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I run very social rides, with plenty of stops, and time for stories and laugh's.
In my book a bloke doing a clubman ride is there to ride. I'm with Peter, on the standard, it doesn't sound like a clubman level ride. It may give someone the wrong idea of what a clubman ride is and then they turn up to another clubman ride and get blown out of the water. I call a 300km day that ends two hours after daylight a clubman ride. The last Clubman level ride I was on had to be cut short because the group couldn't move at the pace the ride leader had hoped for. Tim, nowhere does the ride standard mention speed or distance for a clubman ride. A 300 km ride is definitely for Experienced riders. Check the description. Only the description for experienced rides mentions distance as you would certainly need the skills of a "clubman" rider plus plenty of experience and fitness on a bike to ride longer distances. As you've said Ian there is no mention of speed or distance for any of the levels but I think a clubman should be able to ride at a fair pace for a full day. I believe a clubman would be capable of 300km, 10Hrs at 30Kmh. I've done a day in the desert that was 450km, rated as clubman and all riders completed the day ready to ride the next. I run very social rides, with plenty of stops, and time for stories and laugh's.
In my book a bloke doing a clubman ride is there to ride. I'm with Peter, on the standard, it doesn't sound like a clubman level ride. It may give someone the wrong idea of what a clubman ride is and then they turn up to another clubman ride and get blown out of the water. I call a 300km day that ends two hours after daylight a clubman ride. The last Clubman level ride I was on had to be cut short because the group couldn't move at the pace the ride leader had hoped for. Hey Tim if what you described is a clubman ride how would you describe an exsperienced ride ? Will The only difference to me is that riders are not expected to give other riders assistance on an experienced ride, I don't not even think the tailman should help. On a clubman ride I'd expect riders to help one another. I'm with Tim and Peter on this one! Clubman/Experienced riders are there to ride not stop and socialise at the end of every track. It was my ride that was cut short because some people were really struggling with it, and going by whats been said here i should have listed it as experienced, and if we had of done the whole loop we would of finished well and truly after dark Tim. I think the club needs to re-evaluate its grading system because my idea of a Clubman/Experienced ride is the same as Tim and Petes. I think the club should listen to the guys that regularly do or put on Clubman/Experienced rides and structure it's grading system around the input from those riders. The only thing that should change from Clubman to Experienced is the pace of the ride. From the Pony Express events i've done, over 35's, Clubman and Expert riders are all racing the same track the only thing that changes is the speed and there is no one there to help you if you get stuck. I do not think that the club needs to look at there grading system, lets face it there are a lot of people in this club who do not want to own up to it, but in our trail bike riders club they are expert riders, perhaps they may not be in a racing club but we are not a racing club we are the Australian Trailbike Riders Association so it is the people who are putting on the rides need to grade the ride correctly and if you were planing on doing such a loop that it will finish in the dark then you need to tell people first so there bike is equipped with a good headlight not the crap that comes standard on a lot of bikes, and remember every ride can get held up as we all have bad days on the bikes in our life's just ask Tim and Peter they have had one each in the last 12 mths have they not. As far as helping each other I could not give a dam what grading the ride I was on if someone needed help and I was able to I would be the first to help them so if your attitude is not to help someone who may just need some help one day then I will make sure I stay clear of your rides. Will |
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2007 KTM 540 EXC
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Ian Robinson
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« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2010, 06,54:42 PM » |
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OK. That is enough. This is not the place to be discussing the subject of rider levels. This post was about the ride Will is organising.
If anyone wants to start a post in the members area about rider grading and levels then do it there.
I am going to put on my moderators hat now and delete any more posts that are put in here about rider levels.
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difficult
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« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2010, 08,10:24 AM » |
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Will,
with my level zero bike riding skills but expert skills at falling off do you as the ride leader i am at a level to be able to come on your ride?
Geoff.
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fatboy
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« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2010, 08,58:46 AM » |
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Yes Geoff I will put you on the list. Will
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Never take life seriously.... Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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2010 KTM 690 Duke
2007 KTM 540 EXC
2005 Suzuki RM 85
2000 KTM 125 SX
1993 Honda XR 600
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difficult
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« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2010, 09,02:51 AM » |
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Will,
looking forward to another fun day. lets hope getting the coffee this time is not as difficult as last time.
Geoff.
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